From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thibaut Verron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:16:19 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> <20201016204531.77fab05b@argon> <725aa7c4-321f-4483-5a21-a148ff7f119b@yandex.ru> <20201016213312.603595fe@argon> Reply-To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16514"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mve1@runbox.com, emacs-devel , Richard Stallman , Jean Louis , Dmitry Gutov To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 19:36:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTTeA-0004Bo-CE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:36:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35256 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTTe9-0000X8-CH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 13:36:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36932) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTTLF-0007YA-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 13:16:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb35.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b35]:37382) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTTLD-000837-IQ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 13:16:32 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb35.google.com with SMTP id h9so2519847ybm.4; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:16:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+HHYTQUpJ52po+SUk9luoU3u11ybbQGNQ6G6d4koruA=; b=aoqEfg4t02xG8tg5VdY9XnI9lXsdnef0Eif784GdKNWIJHiOzBf8Pgl40iWwEFFS1a ReJxIhOOsaGAyazeuMvcgKtJhfyDYU7x0NryyL3flnqpY/slShWHRUmflUHwmAivvI5U TvMbY4mXqrecwPkH2zE43pqklTG8FH0y9InXxbXejX9/rmFhGHzo1Dimeoercrdxs3+z umiK9TogWYkQNgk+k8R11pqESkmBuIef7RNJ6S5SWMSa1nx+YmPfZIOwIotGhSQ+g90e ISnNgptOF/f3E703qgZsv2gzVaFZ9j/bMh7T5WiSGTe1Qy46+IUXC2G4vdyCLOBQHBtQ dX9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+HHYTQUpJ52po+SUk9luoU3u11ybbQGNQ6G6d4koruA=; b=UUxpTNm/mAWaC3cffLLldwJGgBVKYk6ozN4IbnC7O9M8l3xAPmajEbTKc5IZA3OnyS kMiym0MVSA7xmFHqYTFiRdRGFPg3f+XnvdRwWSXKO2DcKITokUYaO+OsKheniWK6Gueh cAk03dqhvDgIHLyCXcZgdHv1qk0hIcOncNGMbxmvie6ZJwHTXuJVaqY+K9ZGT/HXKQQH 5Mrf6Jm5MC91mHv4tUBPON2Zu/myzXjHZCdy5ZpiiGnSG27IdNOd6e/Ek1hUtnT2PNKS GeOZ7feYwZ0CY1dhRjGd9UQ/TnWt5Y/BeQXTlOs5AJYIybJGTOS6dSKBBvWLDKz+b+LF uB/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531jHhRpSjJZ9z9pwXDvqiKDiAn4hQA2/tZdgSE1ikZo8KWFVKPZ 3VzxdLDvNTBz4F9gqjjHnY0X61owy7CjFS8ghBRIZrt/TLfyEQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyrWZcvpMbIiRwhc8A+WBg0mxwM6m0XpsiDKmxtxiJUIahnvp35HRVtjwnlBCcdnm8PFDa1blfZ0T1fiT/pwHM= X-Received: by 2002:a25:bcc9:: with SMTP id l9mr6080465ybm.183.1602868589554; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:16:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b35; envelope-from=thibaut.verron@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb35.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257839 Archived-At: Le ven. 16 oct. 2020 =C3=A0 18:50, Alfred M. Szmidt a =C3=A9c= rit : > > > Asking to for non-free software to be removed is a laudable thing to > > do and it is something I hope more people will do, but it is not > > telling someone what they should or shouldn't do. > > Would you mind clarifying the difference between the two? > > Could you please get me a cup of tea? > > I want a cup of tea, get me one. > > Is there anyone who wants to implement frobnitz in Emacs? > > You must implement frobnitz in Emacs otherwise we will start using vi. So the difference is to say "please" and be polite when we ask them to remove some packages? What if they say no? Does it change our opinion of them? > > As it is, your message reads like doublethink to me. > That is unfriendly to say the least. I regret my choice of words, my intention was not to be offensive.