From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thibaut Verron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:16:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20200910231420.kvqg6ohvxetpup5c.ref@Ergus> <20200910231420.kvqg6ohvxetpup5c@Ergus> <875z8lhz3p.fsf@gmail.com> <83tuw4hkad.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw4flzy.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004d1c5705af0b2c8e" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34421"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spacibba@aol.com, Robert Pluim , caiohcs0@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rekado@elephly.net, ghe@sdf.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 17:18:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkoU-0008rx-Pw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:18:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57996 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkoT-00035U-R8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:18:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41690) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGknC-00023i-AM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:16:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x32e.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::32e]:34425) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGknA-0005HQ-P4; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:16:50 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id l15so1309532wmh.1; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:16:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=mhs/DMhj05dx7KR/mabv5iR/z/sijtExdvz8lpq2XCo=; b=jFBkfcQ7vpDHlGdQL5jA1i9QyIlA4fEkVthDha1Bu1wpjKr85D425Bj5N95JdGd3B2 iMaxvhvNZ1Xbrc9SZkXIZUQQeKqXRw8kFOT3GJ8c2gYl2vLuzo/iF1mZg8WExmjzTSen uWqGWhsLLh+6eT/e79jWghcze9Q41/6HPBIhelastnvCQkr6OMXpHCrmSRKAxZG4ToWP RCcSf0BRVKyhbtTEJh5kMnNIxhuvO+uVXJb3CcgaEsGYbgg3kCDYBiJU4USR7mW7/kS3 VUvs3r7xB/auO/c5HTk1V1QRLaZ2Wjg/tfDpc4LIlYMVe442NO8bMwVmyCwWkDRwwpZz smbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mhs/DMhj05dx7KR/mabv5iR/z/sijtExdvz8lpq2XCo=; b=AXEbrCsA9nYHosB0+wOCULenfqFEXh0tGivfkExWbVYU1gTHHyzGHKpd53v6O5Y1Vp lIFnspnO9tp54xQxUhgVueIt4hf1qn9zLxYdtZOO+x+yeJu/sILd2ygdfh8BOPg9yy/o 4yOzQEWix282jTYwu9uJepRiS61Rve/PSSsM8Uyurl31saHroZ+mCM+iM+BkaQPslYM1 lMO7gOQxxarBKTrchqnQsVOx62o3ErWK5KYlwASq9BcHKSujnMxqFslEXqvSoh5XNePF 5HAakyv8LfAbRx8mk+YAuEova7Mc5cjj/eF5EwHgSBEomhCewj4iRxqR6nvjwBsjHOVn yMEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530r8QLbX8wsjhX6CnuET8lSpbOdsJg/kSIQXIknUF+1g8w6NvLb Hhk4qd+KmYLzXVwuF/es7dczuzkdblQvMXBHRxA5rXoJdMBtNg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwlfscIY4PGWB1lFGP/LClQPf5qRhtoJ1+7JjeVVQ/SfGNHcNB0EQXedebbLLSTy0VsmnnZXSVfzZN/ZhrrMNc= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c1d9:: with SMTP id a25mr2825633wmj.4.1599837406304; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:16:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83tuw4flzy.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::32e; envelope-from=thibaut.verron@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x32e.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255200 Archived-At: --0000000000004d1c5705af0b2c8e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wouldn't File > New in most other applications be more akin to switching to an empty buffer with no associated file? Le ven. 11 sept. 2020 =C3=A0 16:05, Eli Zaretskii a =C3=A9cr= it : > > From: Robert Pluim > > Cc: Caio Henrique , rekado@elephly.net, > ghe@sdf.org, > > spacibba@aol.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:57:31 +0200 > > > > Why have we got separate 'open new file' and 'open existing file' > > buttons? > > Because most other applications have File->New and File->Open as > separate items. > > > You can open an existing one from the dialog that 'open new file' > > pops up. > > Yes, we Emacs veterans don't need both. But the tool bar is not for > us. > > --0000000000004d1c5705af0b2c8e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wouldn't File > New in most other application= s be more akin to switching to an empty buffer with no associated file?=C2= =A0

Le ven. 11 sept. 2020 =C3=A0 16:05, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: Caio Henrique <caiohcs0@gmail.com>,=C2=A0 rekado@elephly= .net,=C2=A0 ghe@sdf.org,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0spacibba@aol.com,=C2=A0 drew.adams@oracle.com,= =C2=A0 emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:57:31 +0200
>
> Why have we got separate 'open new file' and 'open existin= g file'
> buttons?

Because most other applications have File->New and File->Open as
separate items.

> You can open an existing one from the dialog that 'open new file&#= 39;
> pops up.

Yes, we Emacs veterans don't need both.=C2=A0 But the tool bar is not f= or
us.

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