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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257875 Archived-At: > Alright, I just think of policies. > > Imagine if free software repository would publish only software that > wraps around proprietary software, would that be free? So it is matter > of policy. Incidentally, if Melpa agrees to your request to remove all packages wrapping around proprietary software, it will be a matter of days before such a repository appears. And yes, it would be free, in my opinion. Because users are free to use Emacs in whichever way they want, including in workflows involving non-free software. > For same reaso Debian GNU/Linux cannot be said to be free, at many > pages they guide users to include non-free software, unspoken from > Archlinux or other distributions. This is, again, a matter of opinion.