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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257820 Archived-At: > > And picking on 2-3 "ideologically impure" packages (out of several > > thousands!) that are distributed on MELPA is counter-productive. > > We could turn this argument around and ask why the developers who > maintain MELPA don't remove `2-3' packages that promote non-free > software. I sincerely hope it doesn't happen. Those packages might rely on non-free software, but they are still packages that some users find valuable or even vital, and that they would want to find somewhere else if not available on Melpa. Removing them from Melpa would only move the "problem". Also, is the goal of the GNU project to deny users the right to run the software they want or need? Or is it to give them a choice of free options to replace non-free software? Having those packages removed would make it more difficult to use non-free software, but it would do nothing to improve the power of free software. > What came first, the GNU Emacs or the MELPA? What does it have to do with the question?