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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256050 Archived-At: --000000000000ff00fd05af905986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le ven. 18 sept. 2020 =C3=A0 06:04, Richard Stallman a =C3=A9= crit : > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > + On a graphics terminal, the easiest way to invoke @code{undo} is > > > +with @kbd{C-/}; that doesn't need the shift key. On a text > terminal, > > > +@kbd{C-/} does not exist, but usually you can type @kbd{C-_} witho= ut > > > +the shift key and it will work anyway. > > > + > > > Does this only make sense with a qwerty keyboard? > > I don't think the keyboard _layout_ makes a difference. An ASCII-only > Dvorak > keyboard would presumably support the same control characters. > > What matters is whether the keyboard uses ASCII or some wider character > set. > If that's the case, that restriction should be made clear. A lot of people are using non-ascii keyboards. I agree that we can't expect the bindings to be convenient for all keyboards, but the documentation at least can be universal. > --000000000000ff00fd05af905986 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Le ven. 18 sept. 2020 =C3=A0 06:04, Ric= hard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agen= ts reading my email: please consider=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]<= br>
=C2=A0 > > +=C2=A0 On a graphics terminal, the easiest way to invoke = @code{undo} is
=C2=A0 > > +with @kbd{C-/}; that doesn't need the shift key.=C2= =A0 On a text terminal,
=C2=A0 > > +@kbd{C-/} does not exist, but usually you can type @kbd{C= -_} without
=C2=A0 > > +the shift key and it will work anyway.
=C2=A0 > > +

=C2=A0 > Does this only make sense with a qwerty keyboard?

I don't think the keyboard _layout_ makes a difference.=C2=A0 An ASCII-= only Dvorak
keyboard would presumably support the same control characters.

What matters is whether the keyboard uses ASCII or some wider character set= .

If that's the case, that restriction should be made clear. A lot of pe= ople are using non-ascii keyboards. I agree that we can't expect the bi= ndings to be convenient for all keyboards, but the documentation at least c= an be universal.=C2=A0
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