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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257779 Archived-At: Le ven. 16 oct. 2020 =C3=A0 08:03, Marcel Ventosa a =C3= =A9crit : > > On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:59:07 -0400 > Richard Stallman wrote: > > > I hope that only a minority of Emacs users know about MELPA, and I'd > > rather not inform the rest about it. But if something is going to > > inform them anyway, it is better to do it with a denunciation. > > > I've been using Emacs (and MELPA) for the best part of a decade and > knew nothing about this! I'm concerned to use only free software and > actively avoid proprietary software, so this is a bit of a shock. As I understand it, Melpa packages cannot *be* or *install* non-free software. But some will not work without such software, which can in theory encourage users to install it. So unless you yourself installed non-free software, Melpa cannot have made your Emacs configuration non-free by accident. > In fact, I would go the extra mile and say Emacs should expressly warn > users over the dangers of installing proprietary software from > unofficial repositories (by the way, I always just assumed MELPA was > somehow official and related to ELPA, because its name is so similar to > ELPA). This survey could provide a good opportunity for such > information/education. ELPA means Emacs Lisp Package Archive, so both Melpa and GNU Elpa are ELPA'= s. I think that commonly referring to GNU Elpa as simply Elpa (which I am also guilty of) is a bigger source of confusion than Melpa and GNU Elpa sharing the same suffix. GNU Elpa and the future Non-GNU Elpa are (will be) activated by default as package archives, Melpa is not. The hope is that once 99% of the packages by the community are available in an archive activated by default, users will not rush to install Melpa in the same proportions as today.