From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thibaut Verron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 09:05:31 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> Reply-To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28897"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Jean Louis , emacs-devel To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 09:07:18 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTJpe-0007Rt-9u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 09:07:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54772 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTJpd-0002XY-CC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 03:07:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60836) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTJoA-0001m7-20 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 03:05:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b]:40135) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTJo8-00057v-7j; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 03:05:45 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com with SMTP id n142so1096205ybf.7; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 00:05:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ijildd6t6LML7+LcdGXJYIGhZm7sqi0XwHG4MpjzdP4=; b=XRs8amSpgL5cwgL/BXZ5fyNuu7f828vYDJJnTN/+JotB28sqKfJ7I8CrsSDABDbPyX 4Uby48ajdk7JmgMdl2w/qcqLN8UlsgnHRR9QH21EAgObW7Hqb3bDE5Ts8LqtFCUK8y7T nyFqTf7tiZzAv17hVuRUnFY8bDCK+BbnV6HPmGxjWUrQSfaFuQoeOAxk7cKR9iqNHzxx omN+FSIzKxFe2GNmNsc7d0LAxN3fn2atkwzEhGT4VY1QFXo/IbbhrUg46U9V5ba8e2ur Y7DduUg3mDBLgkHTDQNU+ePDAJz+uLvclnxM16h3/toQ3tw4Z/7hix+RBDPmLyzSXVqo DuiQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ijildd6t6LML7+LcdGXJYIGhZm7sqi0XwHG4MpjzdP4=; b=nSuV8VX69lD0of8bwe+ShJqLznCt/iQvDxn3BYTcgaK8k9ne2qCcsJZJk/ns6EWfbd LBVFp3zppxyZShJqyzs1S5LtagVfxrKyIMl+Tm+F8RX2rTa5+4e3+B7iSb7b9q+f7UV/ +GHzALyGyYz5xAvrVpumojmxf4Th5bg4jrkwaE6KWN0N3IAwepDJTuwZCEk3aWZRZ91L hm26RjGOqEHwCWBQjc4vuiqmpY8/XBfPsbz4ZdcabVImVqt20gw8+eOcMZ3sxOPwuc57 GtrscAaHoUn2Og99l9oY2Nrn9hWarChdvuhbYikaGld/+geeC/0cVw0NAm+vzjdVNpsE F76g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530oHfFcmkAr5jEh3MpRa001WaHuBv4Ca+Jv9Mtj5XE/6RX1IsPj /ADv6M6r+/JBuuaaKRoeghhov2OAYIj7o4eR352NTJIkrJhalQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwpwqMSmb+tBFeg95eyxUh1I6wwDHmmd7lRE4DOX4z36guLolwe/jtpXXUEdqhvAVwQ5g5ALkXr74x/cbEhcJ8= X-Received: by 2002:a25:b29a:: with SMTP id k26mr3028242ybj.450.1602831942675; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 00:05:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b; envelope-from=thibaut.verron@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257780 Archived-At: Le ven. 16 oct. 2020 =C3=A0 05:59, Richard Stallman a =C3=A9c= rit : > I hope that only a minority of Emacs users know about MELPA, and I'd > rather not inform the rest about it. But if something is going to > inform them anyway, it is better to do it with a denunciation. I believe that it is too late for such hopes, and that a majority of Emacs users know about Melpa and/or uses it. Some people know about it without using it (most of them probably read this list) and some people use it without knowing it (users of pre-configured emacs'es). For instance, those three links were on the first page of a duckduckgo search for "install emacs packages": https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/InstallingPackages http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/emacs_package_system.html http://pragmaticemacs.com/emacs/install-packages/ None of them denunciate anything, only one of them even mentions that Melpa is not official. I believe that if the Emacs webpage and manual were to mention Melpa, it would inform a lot of users about the potential risks to freedom of Melpa, and only inform a few users of the existence of Melpa.