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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257400 Archived-At: > I can perfectly use http://elpa.gnu.org through Emacs > > I cannot at all use https://melpa.org through Emacs, it is > impossible. It is common sense not to design sites in such stunned way > (sorry I was looking for synonyms of "stupid" not to be too bold). It seems reasonable to me that a list that changes every now and then (Elpa) is easier to serve statically than a list which is updated several times a day (Melpa). But if the list of GNU Elpa is generated automatically, maybe the code to do that can be useful to Melpa. > Website of MELPA is ridiculous. If it promotes Emacs, it should be > accessible through Emacs. And now we discuss what Emacs users want, > example me, I don't want to be pushed around. Or maybe Emacs should have a web browser which can run (free) javascript. I don't think so, for obvious security reasons, but then again I don't expect to be able to access all emacs-related websites from within Emacs. And, again, Melpa is accessible through Emacs: the entire content of the website is served on an API which is fully supported by Emacs (list-packages). > This site requires JavaScript to function. At least that's pretty explicit. > JavaScript license information And they went through the trouble of using only free javascript for the website (except for the, admittedly, unnecessary twitter feed and analytics, which a lot of users will block with their adblocker or LibreJS).