From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lally Singh Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:21:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54860d449453d05034394b9 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410963715 14834 80.91.229.3 (17 Sep 2014 14:21:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 17 16:21:46 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUG78-00080d-HO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:21:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45381 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUG77-0006oC-Na for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:21:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUG6m-0006n5-VW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:21:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUG6l-00060J-H4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:21:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vc0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c03::232]:43687) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUG6a-0005xX-KY; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:21:12 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hy4so1340876vcb.37 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:21:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9Tn/RQc3ul18WUmVtZ1UwPBQA0uhe1md03OIVhBNBEw=; b=SASULsvCDb9SJ5t1LzfYUlAwI7G2THn3WZm7Wbe/+8ZO4TUEmSTN5Y0chofwyG/MH2 KXXj6gtTyTc99fLMPBvQrWvudWpf405HGsorqjO2mRDSM0KdK7djTqO4FATw8I47MYug jMS4L25kaVJB04XOG84DpMiM1KiUBpUHfgw/XGelZ2e6eprh0WvO6tjUXAmfE+BgbnQL T47/7LfLMWrEMbafDhr4W0SzOe2oJJgsZxPUwApuTsLbXxz2KAHfYRsjlfhKM9+uZPyH fiCe0d0B/7Zic63EgPREs3ZAS2Gg0NDG4hOujfkwivh5wP4DU3SelmHw3G72fw91Fa2/ lHDA== X-Received: by 10.52.111.232 with SMTP id il8mr29243000vdb.22.1410963669072; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.52.109.132 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:21:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174429 Archived-At: --bcaec54860d449453d05034394b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Would DotGNU work? Ignore C# and put in a elisp frontend. The benefit being that we can watch what the larger efforts are doing in those fronts, and pick-and-choose the good ideas with little effort on our side. DotGNU would get a boost of support from emacs, and it's a familiar enough environment that a lot of programmers would be willing to go in and hack on it. They'd often already have transferrable experience on the proprietary versions of DotGNU, but would be able to vent their innate need to hack on dotgnu instead of the more proprietary versions. Emacs has a huge user footprint, and leveraging it to boost another project would help. Especially a project that rides rather close to a very popular proprietary platform - that's a lot of hackers to harness. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > It is not acceptable to base a GNU package on LLVM. It is a > non-copylefted competitor to an important GNU package. > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation > 51 Franklin St > Boston MA 02110 > USA > www.fsf.org www.gnu.org > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. > Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. > > --bcaec54860d449453d05034394b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would DotGNU work? =C2=A0Ignore C# and put in a elisp fron= tend. =C2=A0The benefit being that we can watch what the larger efforts are= doing in those fronts, and pick-and-choose the good ideas with little effo= rt on our side.

DotGNU would get a boost of support from= emacs, and it's a familiar enough environment that a lot of programmer= s would be willing to go in and hack on it. =C2=A0They'd often already = have transferrable experience on the proprietary versions of DotGNU, but wo= uld be able to vent their innate need to hack on dotgnu instead of the more= proprietary versions. =C2=A0Emacs has a huge user footprint, and leveragin= g it to boost another project would help. =C2=A0Especially a project that r= ides rather close to a very popular proprietary platform - that's a lot= of hackers to harness.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org= > wrote:
[[[ To any NSA and= FBI agents reading my email: please consider=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]<= br>
It is not acceptable to base a GNU package on LLVM.=C2=A0 It is a
non-copylefted competitor to an important GNU package.

--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org=C2=A0 www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
=C2=A0 Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.


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