From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Filipe Silva Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please explain the FSF copyright assignment thing Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 15:48:46 -0300 Message-ID: References: <87shi08bx5.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87shi0xjzf.fsf@kwork> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c17dc2fe95e005543761c6" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499971913 29279 195.159.176.226 (13 Jul 2017 18:51:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 18:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= , John Yates , Emacs developers To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 13 20:51:50 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dVjDJ-0007N4-E9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 20:51:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33548 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVjDP-00075D-3M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:51:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54865) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVjAP-0005Ib-PC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:48:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVjAO-0001t8-L0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:48:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22d]:35511) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dVjAO-0001sE-Fv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:48:48 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id 191so53744966oii.2 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:48:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nQq8ZKiXYWvvrZfrMiHFedAgAfEqVycTZtRaSkKacYA=; b=i5iOYXw6QwTWeszTO4Z6pMnTye6WujsUVKszMIvgSVNTYZUjt+y/3NJa5kWqImDYWS oZpVpq+SyByyACIDeQMkx1fx1uDntAp5OI5ULVsXIe4DLjy/vZvnyj+cgSuDEF7vmq6Q 4Fs66LX0+/fRnueeqmWxdHLbSrD4JjexnP589ffU055n6XXxFmFs907wwC/VuRIzJuUF 1fRi4hrTm8fO4UISgaKXwODIOgt5iM/afK8S95+NKkAmcdsluO76uL4ESPrUsSe4+O/2 D17f+DaXStDLy0UPLOWLlHD9+sGrEU+RZ1ZQGqrAcFTPSMLbycazW0pgZP6eIQKNJsza CiXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nQq8ZKiXYWvvrZfrMiHFedAgAfEqVycTZtRaSkKacYA=; b=hA+53TUXwL9DQYfOW6fb+o21sR9Dr+NChfvvUoyiVr4FvKvF82CrUGhMKGrOIeUcMa bjjezEyho7Meblk7TbwSJ6MMXu7xjMhuPYiDE0axr1tJgxgukhIvTRbhLU6Ifapi8+uz wrXgQwaba83Tuq7jkoj7Dbt/kzbg+r1tdRV114Ba5hPO5fp0mcfldtgCKpQvRI9/3By8 +COojDxIgebMJ3Eo77BKeOgn8nMfjQ49pjQL4ZCHF7wy2fgpmfaCBvgAFyq9no8JRUFa 8lMPoEg+S7IShp+xK4PKBraakTWjjm9jvjny62ixsSot51VXPtk59HNy6mnycse/8F2L LjLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw1106xs60vz17qIuUd5Y+gSfGjiw5Smv7u2SoSIQrMjeA0nZSXG3C V8GOtzZkrNc9Yr+fUmcCoe5EDGcsCg== X-Received: by 10.202.73.207 with SMTP id w198mr3675567oia.27.1499971727560; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.182.85.69 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.182.85.69 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:48:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87shi0xjzf.fsf@kwork> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216598 Archived-At: --001a11c17dc2fe95e005543761c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ok. I get that. But why, why it is legally required? What harm will descent upon us all if an official component of emacs is distributed which hasn't had it's copyright assigned to FSF? On Jul 13, 2017 15:37, "Karl Fogel" wrote: > John Yates writes: > >Perhaps you should ask why Richard decided that Magit, among all > >of the many non-FSF copyright assigned packages that emacs users > >recommend to one another, was so intolerable as to justify suggesting > >mounting a - to my mind doomed - competing project. It was not as if > >all of those recommendations are for some proprietary or non-GPL-V3+ > >package. > > Richard didn't do anything special in this case. He's fine with Magit > being distributed as free software, and fine with Emacs users downloading > and using Magit. People are still free to "recommend [Magit] to one > another", just as with any free software. > > The copyright assignment thing is solely about Magit being distributed *as > an official component of the GNU Emacs distribution*. All the packages > that are part of Emacs itself have always needed these copyright > assignments. I'm not commenting on whether this is legally necessary or > not. I'm just saying that the request here is exactly the same as the FSF > has always made for every other package that would be distributed as part > of Emacs. Magit did not get singled out for special treatment. > > -K > > --001a11c17dc2fe95e005543761c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok. I get that. But why, why it is legally required? What= harm will descent upon us all if an official component of emacs is distrib= uted which hasn't had it's copyright assigned to FSF?

On Jul 13, 2017 15:37, &q= uot;Karl Fogel" <kfogel@red-= bean.com> wrote:
John Yates <john@yates-shee= ts.org> writes:
>Perhaps you should ask why Richard decided that Magit, among all
>of the many non-FSF copyright assigned packages that emacs users
>recommend to one another, was so intolerable as to justify suggesting >mounting a - to my mind doomed - competing project.=C2=A0 It was not as= if
>all of those recommendations are for some proprietary or non-GPL-V3+ >package.

Richard didn't do anything special in this case.=C2=A0 He's fine wi= th Magit being distributed as free software, and fine with Emacs users down= loading and using Magit.=C2=A0 People are still free to "recommend [Ma= git] to one another", just as with any free software.

The copyright assignment thing is solely about Magit being distributed *as = an official component of the GNU Emacs distribution*.=C2=A0 All the package= s that are part of Emacs itself have always needed these copyright assignme= nts.=C2=A0 I'm not commenting on whether this is legally necessary or n= ot.=C2=A0 I'm just saying that the request here is exactly the same as = the FSF has always made for every other package that would be distributed a= s part of Emacs.=C2=A0 Magit did not get singled out for special treatment.=

-K

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