From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [External] : Re: Would you say this information window is well designed? Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:45:20 -0600 Message-ID: References: <83sg5oueex.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8gbvr4m.fsf@gnu.org> <84e3f5ab-436e-c0ea-39f1-2466f3227910@yandex.ru> <87im6jepft.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40416"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "laszlomail@protonmail.com" , Eli Zaretskii , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Drew Adams , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 23 01:49:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lELta-000AQB-P0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 01:49:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36044 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lELtZ-00082Y-Py for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:49:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37700) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lELpO-0005Vz-5l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:45:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-x532.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::532]:45103) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lELpL-0007la-Jy; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:45:25 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-x532.google.com with SMTP id p21so11303165pgl.12; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:45:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cVNpubIZZxLv/a2AUylpux8d87cRx36svxdpQHocng8=; b=OLVucVZwvkDcw9CHjIhFhzpkPAbZqWKVUsmNGHiCD/NP3sRSagxlnkvKUtD0s40BG2 T/9bGi7PjBrcWBCV1Uyrh3XJXtwWHixqgS/+Rm4POwl1EkD9R/WNxJ8uHQthwVjAnDG7 v+7Rk7Kv3PH4PrXnEUY4eMhXx9iyEIh55YzmNfGK/mKw0dhjn20j1AirzJreTxYBlG6x Q2OGZwLe/a100Yso7GwTrd25lDHdo1CqZW5xXGzkEL6oshrCtQfmPTTsamskkqjMXglW 3os6CCjzsQ1ahJnoKFPtbGO1I3exNZ8IEEjizj1Gi03XKFhpmqARwxpS/WFL28j5X6Ix I2aQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cVNpubIZZxLv/a2AUylpux8d87cRx36svxdpQHocng8=; b=txE1olNLBDHi5WnJ/oErJF0ycKgVwubHCU9eDnpfwKbCBGcV4mT9xxnvsUEK0pzKAY INYLXLUEhxrH5zMDRb42dLp9fhZ6S2rDCetvuewbHv56448jolw5UixxZKm6stdaoyPz doDpoJN/VOi9v6Bf/UPLex2PJzPDhnMHUe4C/CliiYZegSCS+sxYRoSOvwwjLfc0Zq/l crLpLTpTbucFLkXNZXzct8xmgKaDPhKC6DDyOcUMUnU5OuOYfElpsLNNiGtTDngYepI5 OHhny4QCgTEVz5vrO0ObxOoib2uCOcpzeQISv6f/7Iaq1W8SZHe2Job+W1KP0Itgmhc8 x+pw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532DWT5KgQ0k7riRtt4AP/CqzvCOZw3ZTpltjrxaUExWA2seoeE4 /cBeS3tfz3vf5SDg0uJSazsmVCJMb27PB81Edq0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwYC4D+5k/4Iurqo8DYNxxeKGqGSe9q7GhljVBXOnaFDqaZI94y6Tf1yoADaJ35GFo4ZobNIP79GNrV1HV8FSc= X-Received: by 2002:a63:ed02:: with SMTP id d2mr22480606pgi.67.1614041121642; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:45:21 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:45:20 -0600 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::532; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x532.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265518 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> I think linking to the manual (as much as practically possible) from >> *Help* is a good idea. However, `info-lookup-symbol' (the innards of >> which we basically have to call) is a bit on the slow side. > > I don't find it slow. And it can be invoked only > when a user clicks (or uses RET) on a link. But wouldn't that mean that the link is shown unconditionally? That's what happens with "helpful.el", and it doesn't make for the best experience when the function is not in any manual. It would be better to not show a link in that case.