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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264163 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > Option 1. C-z, with a single exception: "C-z C-z" would be bound to > > "suspend-frame" > > I think that these changes for C-z, M-z and C-o would be a big pain in > the neck. Indeed. (But I personally still maintain that `C-z' should just be changed to `undo'.) > However, it would be possible to make M-z M-ANYTHING available for > other bindings and reserve them for whatever we wish. That would not > conflict with the current meaning of M-z, because meta characters > can't be in the buffer. Wouldn't it be strange to first be queried for "Zap up to char: " and then be expected to type another key to run some command from a third-party package? > The binding of M-m is less useful than many other keys. > Perhaps it could be given to some other use. Your mileage may vary, but I use `M-m' tens or hundreds of time per day. Of the global M-bindings, `M-o' seems least useful to me.