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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264982 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >>> As for verbosity, it's not like there weren't any suggestions to >>> reduce the number of annotations either (like tying command >>> definitions to packages, or custom groups, etc). >> >> And I responded to all of those and said why I thought those were bad >> ideas. > > Then why we are removing :group tags from defcustom? Because they are redundant. > Completion annotations are redundant the same way. Not exactly in the same way, because the overwhelmingly most common case with :group tags is that all defcustoms in one file share the same group. With completion annotations, we have seen ratios from 50-75 %.