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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277444 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > The syntax that `kbd' understands is the one that we're using to display > keystrokes in help texts and manuals, so inventing another syntax for > defining keys doesn't seem productive. One idea is to disallow string syntax on the 'kbd-*' level of the API, and have another function intended for end-users in their init file that does allow string syntax. I can't remember if it has been mentioned before, but John Wiegley's bind-key.el (part of use-package) is one alternative for this. Its documentation is here: https://github.com/jwiegley/use-package/blob/master/bind-key.el One nice thing about `bind-keys' is that you differentiate between your own keybindings and those from Emacs and packages; you show all personal key bindings with `M-x describe-personal-keybindings'. This lists only those keybindings added with `bind-key'. (I believe that we already have the copyright assignment for bind-keys.el specifically, even if we don't have it for the full use-package.el. The only remaining contributor to sort assignments for use-package.el has only 6 lines added to the file bind-keys.el.)