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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281846 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Colin Baxter =F0=9F=98=BA >> Cc: >> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 07:39:02 +0000 >> >> 1. emacs-27.2 -nw -Q >> 2. C-h ? >> >> The user is then told to use Space or Del to scroll options. This works >> in xterm, stterm and urxvt. >> >> In emacs-28.0.90 (and emacs-29.0.50) the user is now told to use >> , to scroll, neither of which work in xterm, >> stterm or urxvt >> >> I am wondering why the scroll advice was changed? Because those are more natural keys to use on graphical displays. > How about providing a patch that adds SPC and DEL to the advice? Can we detect that we are running in a terminal and show SPC and DEL there, while showing and on graphical displays?