From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:48:20 -0600 Message-ID: References: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30499"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 21 19:49:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDtn6-0007nw-L3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:49:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDtn4-0000pV-5p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 13:49:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50036) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDtmK-0000ON-7k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 13:48:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-f179.google.com ([209.85.214.179]:41442) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDtmI-0008Hm-RV; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 13:48:24 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-f179.google.com with SMTP id d11so1270220plo.8; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 10:48:22 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=teHiLNlpZNo/jRg4CAObDoJWXsZfSN9lhnDIABfYhbQ=; b=Xytz4MkD1aHzPcVPeJa+Mho6sMxj7EH2YfbJChwM/NoTOfF0FrygmTcqonLxz/IYxM dScFockovHWwEA1QZDYv7R7SkLtdtWr+mTk8bihJISlaGpbRsgJW+JT3MoitXYyBTeLN ThDXZ3djAsrxUhcFbKJT+Pujnu/fE7btieHmkYHD5D7/O/xcibK/7Bb89syw55+jTdhd aMImzVmov1ywlB2odv5QoVSucF+eK16q5JJUT0nE4V9bAIFPwgwBBYd33pvRKshq9IfD ntN80bvdgKU4qx3fnv/fHjFAIsLsGavzpTg3maILeTv2VluKjevKBm+p0Ji/Pk7cHD6K QeJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Bp7qDQE0Zs1K1b87hM7HAF+t1yaSVqmANY2XkVotS7w4LNGbg NJIMMEiPYFG5ozr/fbJcIljoIa3jNK6yU/gYgvUK/nJx X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyWO/bNmy8ioUpv9R4Kk2F8DiT+3s9m5p6mUjhTpUW/OhPZynrVF9hC7Y03GALHDhztpp9W+VRFTvD4GmHyHzw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:bd84:: with SMTP id z4mr19268780pjr.179.1613933300954; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 10:48:20 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:48:20 -0600 In-Reply-To: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.214.179; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-f179.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265427 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Please explain the rationale for the order. It is different from the > order in the manual and in the menus, so we should at least discuss > it, and that needs some rationale. This was mostly to give a quick example of how it could look. Sorry for not being more clear. I agree that we need to think seriously about what the best ordering is, also compared to the manual. If the general direction here is okay, I will provide a full proposal, including thinking through the order.