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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275633 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > Perhaps you are in the minority? Perhaps, but I doubt it. For example, LibreOffice does not highlight parenthesis. This is very much a case of programmers imposing programmer defaults. But Emacs is not only used by programmers, it is a general purpose text editor. > We could flip it on universally, and then later change the behavior in > text modes if we get some more negative feedback. Why not do it the other way around: flip it on for `prog-mode' and later turn it on elsewhere if we get feedback that it would be better.