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xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
writes:

> FWIW I completely agree with this.=C2=A0 Custom system is a good idea,
> and it should exist; however it has a very long way yet to achieve
> it's purpose.=C2=A0 It is nowhere near JetBrains software's isolation
> of Java from user.=C2=A0 It needs a lot more work.=C2=A0 It is an unfinis=
hed system.

Agreed, but I'd invite you to be more concrete.  If you are proposing a
redesign, fine, but we'd need volunteers to do that.  If you have
specific proposals for how to improve customize, they are also welcome.