From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: Re: org 9.2.6 and org 9.1.9 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:29:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <7D2A3D8D-CB71-4B0D-8839-9633BD9F9C4B@traduction-libre.org> <874kyqcuup.fsf@alphaville.usersys.redhat.com> <68782497-408D-4E97-8CA0-72B41882FB13@traduction-libre.org> <8325B7BB-3213-4C8D-9925-E6621695918D@traduction-libre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="31729"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Jean-Christophe Helary , Org-mode , Emacs developers To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 27 07:34:50 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iZquX-00086m-W9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 07:34:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34082 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iZquW-00017G-8u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 01:34:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50898) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iZquO-000176-8u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 01:34:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iZquN-00007F-6x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 01:34:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f43.google.com ([209.85.216.43]:34687) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iZqpU-00044z-Ul; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 01:29:37 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f43.google.com with SMTP id bo14so9455425pjb.1; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 22:29:36 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+RsCUF7XTj7Z+u/gwDwQplojPo0VyxhzSswSZfC6sdY=; b=VKFUYs1V44nKmETQTfhKEw2spqwSWiUy7EAZ2ttP6ru6Jl470PPt0eFAvxQRDXUjgv VLMq0XOLpwHrepc4b7sgK4sLbGEmz/+qoZF2Q+m01K7jon3MiZNiua0M6K84ARNGkk4t 7EIIAEBipyLNoKWuXDyiRO6Hvl5YJ0Y+YJRAyLt/bbMYGHGrP1o1wGF3jCQnIWPb3QB+ SJ51eptzwXuY7PN582DUux2SjQUukUmmo5jwvP61v3rSmpmdoYbBA6aR2aeIc+rJ6XYg KxgyW2za6UkDvvoS+HLC6rpF7LCbrzlx4iIE9r/aD4oTFMvRePM1TG920TcIYVpMxMDf LAEA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUd0e79U+f3nK9OHnq0sVQad20hCmhzxu2k1kAh20Utb1F9AZ9L 6IV6areGNl7aTbvXGoM27nePQlmXgnyDaufnXt0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw7Em+dClP/043h2kmttOsVmUIH8d7jvXQHGrbUpfRl5pAt7Lcy8EYlgRMjJq6GcX9eTNDG7QjP+OL/2Y2yn7s= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:1424:: with SMTP id j33mr4109231pja.2.1574836175610; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 22:29:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.216.43 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242768 gmane.emacs.orgmode:126146 Archived-At: Tim Cross writes: > I would agree that org should be a package in elpa and not bundled into emacs core. The user can then choose which version to install (ignoring the package dependency problem). I disagree with removing Org-mode from Emacs core, as I've explained elsewhere. > This won't fix all the issues as anyone installing a new major version when an existing version is already loaded will run into the same problems. Bottom line, as org stands now, upgrading when org is already loaded is problematic. It would be very unfortunate if we removed Org-mode from Emacs core with the sole motivation to band-aid an issue with upgrading packages in package.el. So I would put your above argument more bluntly: removing Org-mode from Emacs core would be to sweep the problem under the rug. package.el is still broken. Best regards, Stefan Kangas