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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265264 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Could you elaborate on how it makes it harder to customize? > > Isn't it clear that typing a function at set-variable's prompt is much > less convenient than typing an atom, like a symbol, a string, or a > number? For starters, it is much more typing. And then it's easy to > make a mistake, which will require you to start over again. Oh, sorry I misunderstood you. I thought we only talked about "customizing" in reference to `customize'. > Customization is about _changing_ the defaults, not about leaving them > unchanged. Typing a function's name, let alone a lambda-expression, > in the Custom form is no fun. So having a user option whose value > _must_ be a function is a PITA. Yes, that's true.