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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_BL=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250945 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > It's not like it's "not doing the job", or that Finder became worse now, > 3 decades after it was created (I just looked up its development history). > > The new alternative simply has more traction. It's basic usability: once > the user learns that they can install packages to add extra Emacs > functionality, they will look for more packages if they need something else. > > And the notion of package repositories is everywhere in the software > world these days. Maybe we should work on making `list-packages' better instead? For example, it could support package categories much like finder does, or it could do more to make built-in packages visible. Best regards, Stefan Kangas