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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321215 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > Somebody mentioned telemetry in this thread earlier, apparently it was > not received well. But some consistent way of polling users might help. > Sometime later when we establish one. Telemetry is actually an excellent idea, iff it is opt-in and reasonably anonymized (e.g. by using randomized identifiers for Emacs installations rather than users, and optionally also Tor).