From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:43:23 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3611793f-8eed-dff5-bd75-3808870e6f08@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34962"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Dmitry Gutov , Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 25 20:44:27 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lajk3-00090v-3c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 20:44:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58822 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lajk2-0001t5-1X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:44:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53690) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lajj4-0001SZ-Tt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:43:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f43.google.com ([209.85.216.43]:34517) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lajj3-0005A7-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:43:26 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f43.google.com with SMTP id t2-20020a17090a0242b0290155433387beso1151713pje.1 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:43:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mHgst3SIVqpOd/Ru2Z2ACbJlemCyRg7wDIV+Uili+gQ=; b=qh7W/5Gj2ggT3aKy9sNQoH9TCr0wa9TD9HI1PVehi+ERelRpu6hAu0bBULXLcT1gjK gXHp24Tw/8ETC4FP9CFPq2vNF3F6OgFpNr2tI804vK8Uc+gOXfz5jO51GJzvXLv7O7T/ Z8l+lV3DCPy0wLhLuimLH7bGtwJaMEyjt+3BrlU6hmQgBKEHnG4Bsn4veFMNm3aBGGf0 +LeG1CvKMa5b1d7nf+h0Gz8+iOi8nX1CyyHDDW0Hslh8oUeULNJy7TWQfdoAhVSnBFTE GPASbiFWA4L2jct+blbApeKIs9M3jSdrX+5V+EZsF1JxXs1vznj0oIfso43lXrQ9UQfJ Kk2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532F+ZBQEGT23YbNyeJ77a5jdSYebzn91szxUhr0gBOo+wm33eP5 0WnAmbRj0CblfaVwamdOkHxNxtnKDWeWK2cveHk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx/elpIpm+HWYalMv0HeVVWznmoZhUBoQllmTgs6T6L1t0LD5Q9F/a/T4gPP4yBEkEG9K3PUSsXXgZr3vX+2H4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:19ca:: with SMTP id nm10mr16798157pjb.175.1619376203904; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:43:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3611793f-8eed-dff5-bd75-3808870e6f08@yandex.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.216.43; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-f43.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268411 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: >> Is that a common convention? I'm testing man and less in xterm, and >> they don't scroll up on Shift+Space. > > Perhaps not ubiquitous. > > I thought it worked in 'less', but apparently misremembered. Neigher > backspace nor delete do anything in 'less' either, so it's probably not > the best comparison. > > Works in Firefox and Thunderbird, though. > > But PgUp/PgDown work in less too, so supporting them should be higher > priority. We also have in `special-mode-map': DEL scroll-down-command S-SPC scroll-down-command So I think it makes sense to add it to help-for-help as well.