From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:52:51 -0700 Message-ID: References: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtua9isw.fsf@gnu.org> <83zgy8997y.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg4094e1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39510"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 09 00:53:27 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lUdWg-000ABG-JQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:53:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44646 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUdWf-0003PI-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 18:53:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58744) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUdWA-0002x0-VS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 18:52:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-f178.google.com ([209.85.214.178]:41852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUdW9-0004Ej-Hv; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 18:52:54 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-f178.google.com with SMTP id g10so1783920plt.8; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 15:52:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BxPY4By1YeZ8j8mSIlUrxWjFjQAhHhX9mZJvsU66EqE=; b=aTV2G+H0O2WsNo/vQPq8oXdTbKlXm3jV0eSwOa4Qbw/CfqrjRnMP5uR9E1aJxhCNim EFQdPuK0vlwnt5hp6CQkEW3fno1PYsbh9P99My7CYoymsWTxWJ24gj07LG/4qSAoGUSr eWjBtNeJYE88AYl3rCsEUyL9zE+Pkq+BZFZyB45+diCfDc33nJuTGi8y33yiqYYE5NbY GS1yYzqLZOEwpmC3NT0mDChpjjGJ9gh/TZon2VHwg3iIvFwGFSA/F6NXh78B89oi/Y9Q Vv4juVb0V4w9Ip54XhwjyJ9WwK0XwpIFSpn6kOByr0BJmfAUfQgJG/TpHrY8zx/VgB3/ mlhg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532UddCIz1XjQAX0DAPFoeahKZP1o/UEhzmXUR0vjfxfhJg5sUah gDzNH1p7HcZmjDJ8KNAmK/Hu+qtN4HzO3jF5VggHLHP+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxlm/kGL1fKt+iBDEYlrId7XN+/OYfmbo1x/F9l2D2wTiGs+oEvXhFjLkhNdK/dkpXTS+Otovk689da9cbv0sM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:ac08:: with SMTP id o8mr10829850pjq.175.1617922371691; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 15:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:52:51 -0700 In-Reply-To: <83sg4094e1.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.214.178; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-f178.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267672 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > We are talking about short but inaccurate vs longer but more > accurate. I agree that, all the rest being equal, the shorter the > better, but that's not our case here. I might have found a compromise that could work: "Commands, Keys and Functions" It is basically the same as "Describe and Find Commands, Keys, Functions", only shorter.