From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Access control in Emacs? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 18:02:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87r1dr5izu.fsf@dick> <30E3A87D-0BBB-47B1-AAA8-A8DE4851D359@mit.edu> <87zgsff93x.fsf@dick> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8312"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: dick Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 14 18:25:26 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mQBFN-000244-6u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 18:25:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51620 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mQBFM-000587-9B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 12:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47114) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mQAtD-0007ZB-K8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 12:02:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f180.google.com ([209.85.210.180]:36741) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mQAtC-0002qx-4I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 12:02:31 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f180.google.com with SMTP id m26so12715539pff.3 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 09:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oSDNX37rHLky8WfHbC8KTiASW5rLvigCoyHGm742cxI=; b=Ge00Qp4nxtWV4iwqsEx+jneAd/sxcjMJN3Jl+HX5SNVm6hOJfojT2UnhGySZdhigfx 6q5IUVazMspuU9/niXor2jJvMs3Wmk72dvcv59Pyqs8q1Ot6ycEq9BNAGtjGtAZscSzl 8XPYRwkEZt9hI5Qo0DJDgnDJUDfcao1k8hoYQDgQbJBqmCBaTh0ksvjItn2krHF09nzB AuEtOmgRwuv5nxSUV1Lc4nYAoV7RIY9mZU+z/uNa5IWgBlq4JgEvFNauEGVSretB6YgA 6gj0ygc4M/g0ayjnR7cF8lBEavNgrOpmYpy3PRmAj/1TwTx9ZtUkLUU3hi7UdX3ZaAoh GG7Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532XoobXG8EX7IKc4HH6yr8BiEJlyWt8C7dPIVxS+iL3EyxtDUyC EhecWIYR3WI7EkDeMriLX/+cTOlgxGEPvWHa4JU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyp1cJCltCCTao8hDkI5YYRm9tj3eFBKb3ZOyEk+aoauCLW5rUPx/Z1Nd66UU+dfYYJaC/2dgbPYa9xaF4yvLY= X-Received: by 2002:a62:ea06:0:b0:3e1:62a6:95b8 with SMTP id t6-20020a62ea06000000b003e162a695b8mr5510601pfh.70.1631635348031; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 09:02:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87zgsff93x.fsf@dick> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.210.180; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-f180.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274711 Archived-At: dick writes: > > > I don=E2=80=99t think UNIX is a good multi-user OS =E2=80=94 Elisp will= do much better. > > User programs live in n-dimensions, and the OS is (n+1)-dimensional. Ema= cs, > being a user program, cannot conceive of, much less create, an OS. May I suggest that you indicate when you leave something out from a quote with "[...]"? In this case, your way of quoting makes it look like something rather different from what was originally written: "I don=E2=80=99t think UNIX is a particularly good multi-user OS =E2=80=94 the= access control model is arbitrary and coarse grain. There=E2=80=99re improvements like SELinux, but a CLOS generic function in Elisp will do much better." In other words, the author is saying that Elisp would be better for implementing access control, not for implementing an OS.