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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277296 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > The person who started this thread (and with a > patch) now says he doesn't understand the plan. I don't think I understand how me asking for a clarification could be interpreted as an argument against these improvements. The patch to make kbd usable in pre-loaded code really has very little to do with this, BTW. > What's the aim? What's wrong with (kbd ...)? We have discussed the problems with 'kbd' in some detail in this thread.