From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Mutating existing persistent data Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 22:26:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87tufmjyai.fsf@gnus.org> <875ys2lyt0.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnkhlxb9.fsf@yahoo.com> <2FD7D920-D92C-480B-B2AC-91A17F0397C4@mit.edu> <87zgpdi0rk.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7bkzg01.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtlcfaga.fsf@gnus.org> <83ilw0xj6o.fsf@gnu.org> <87v900duuc.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35450"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: qhong@mit.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, arthur.miller@live.com, john@yates-sheets.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 07 22:27:35 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1muhzq-000929-VU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 22:27:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47746 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muhzp-0002qW-DC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 16:27:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50698) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muhyo-0001CQ-KR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 16:26:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [2607:f8b0:4864:20::52e] (port=42880 helo=mail-pg1-x52e.google.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muhyj-00085t-90; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 16:26:27 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id l64so214996pgl.9; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 13:26:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fyxwnBQ+TFgkpFO8EjwVo4HIOcEb0tllpwGxLxBLeb4=; b=FcaIqPeNLI59/hbJfbwD3TXDBU7pTJNB1V39ykrQLw6CghkHINz02fSJh0fsmM0I+U F8207h3I1p6yTmtkXNaBvALAqwSOtqbw/TkKVsibn3347krWV43eAJ37DZ1EC3/y8mhH zICzr0TnjNelzX2rIJ1Bsnmes8yQJiWZxpOL3lDtLMFhiBWS8E/yaN9xk1rMcc1OfFty KnzgZjP2Y2o46F6l0qhuMmE0ovTVEz8OSn4SQezj3qe2vnyxnnARw/MW6nWaAr0V8uln sWZfVWA1FxoWe8SniW3YAitrbF9wqDFMwqhj3JJlovWwveuHFpXQLA92tUhAtHruKf4f hnfQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fyxwnBQ+TFgkpFO8EjwVo4HIOcEb0tllpwGxLxBLeb4=; b=aHOgNf3gphwwzoo16BjwzGDCkENH+BbiG8lZQtwtNXIFFo+DHNlA/vOVZ6RGX4J8qP 2CaEUh2hjzk3cs3AIdug6zovZly8bPSt+jF+3wH2NVMYOoXGMvzQ/GxSuWo3VIn6aNsk nzsdU0I8nIsCR4at4uZX20+/n/S1dK9uiylacEro2Z4h6QO5v8Orvx5wMlsUrvOL9ngN gLmTS10E9JsdFohNSDINh02Xe+xFFBbM4cazWJ6gVLGTnSkMI2ky9BnDXg3kRypWk9W1 mOWnNW2TUvBi5Ghm3bulLPlV3P2aT3r9CpmYkZBglbukYTeieOlLZrFBUGJCg5ip4gTP fp0A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533ARG9j9Q+ZDeQ1zugh5NzeNm7f5vIQIR8G0eWlgiCjW1MZGKDj TmpcAToBPvUUN1RaXns05P6lFtyxGrcDZLAYNUw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwE/EiuI3PTdu2T32T7WngYIiY8mDonYEiNKYIyD3Aq11ImzJLROe+suI6kALJ5B0Q+5YVm3KjuuEliSB837zI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:2444:b0:4ab:15b9:20e5 with SMTP id d4-20020a056a00244400b004ab15b920e5mr1670678pfj.0.1638912383557; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 13:26:23 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 22:26:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87v900duuc.fsf@gnus.org> X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::52e (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::52e; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x52e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281287 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Uhm... anybody else got any ideas for a word for a variable that has a > value that survives an Emacs shutdown? Here's two random ideas: define-saved-variable define-stored-variable