From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to poll the users Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:15:24 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a736wyed.fsf@yahoo.com> <2F7AD0CB-FF83-4244-BD77-7E0460A77762@icloud.com> <87wo6a7abj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o8rlbnic.fsf@yahoo.com> <45098d13-2770-4a19-6f82-b22276eb51c8@yandex.ru> <877dy91mb0.fsf@yahoo.com> <0ce06d95-0593-bc55-983f-6b6601503a1a@yandex.ru> <38f07534-f9db-64eb-5256-e73bcebafef4@yandex.ru> <8e4a5b46-f9a6-400e-f573-f73b419e229f@yandex.ru> <8f1cf2d3-4d55-4ad3-9322-9876fa9862a9@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="74941"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien_Gendre?= , Emacs developers , Po Lu , pcr910303@icloud.com, Drew Adams , Richard Stallman To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 25 18:16:25 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jSNTd-000JM6-8M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:16:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40330 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSNTc-0008Mq-AJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:16:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56754) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSNSt-0007oy-Uy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:15:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSNSt-0007K7-Kk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:15:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-f178.google.com ([209.85.219.178]:43504) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSNSr-0007Jo-V9; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:15:37 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-f178.google.com with SMTP id o198so6865866ybg.10; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 09:15:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=sw+De1fz7UcGmHYvJ4tsEokYHNZtHfN5lbfhezHxckk=; b=pU4kTcqxog6Iui1lbMHLRgfYtR8sSnwvdWy/2lMdqd0X7gQxgE41LAoc/Ge3IqS2cB oP/ym39Hlfr/QJGxxPm0U6xAwOJi6Syv9p9RcdxpXuYW4u2ltUG8+2LTfd9VJNFZgc4U VJXE/6bLKQM5hjmDC8KDb7wHafhMZ8A5svOH8GtGPoh2tHuLlIAgeT60NTNBX08MssvQ MsMp1vmKKHntd63dgX9mqWjP7DCWSFiQcEHCbHmEntsloiZWIYG+XnnBR7NU09dHKqm1 EYOhlZ7qPJVksfjY+SD4KCy+sBTmFwDjGkItxnqe37FIeYnQdaoaP9iByPHQiBOp7NE6 A2UA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYhvvdcMSZNkmtcv+oVsE+Kcwh8PNO8tADeiWMAWBB3isuvTefu NZu3W+GA2qdDCX6e2nMskxOujyWVYFgLIsBMebs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLxCgUqWr75a77YiH9ouKrau/Patr/dVBdVnAi1oN1PDVY3Sd6jlclRITrw2dMXyg6sMKo40jNYfPSYmAoQaww= X-Received: by 2002:a25:bec2:: with SMTP id k2mr24427594ybm.129.1587831336599; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.219.178; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-f178.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/25 12:15:36 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.219.178 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247794 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > If the poll doesn't contain an implicit promise (e.g. "we considering a > change of default"), the turnout is likely to be much lower. Which is > not what we want, I think. I agree. I would add I think this could be an important way for emacs-devel to interact with regular users, and make them feel more involved. I don't want to come across as negative towards your suggestion to create a poll, which I think is an excellent initiative. But perhaps we could consider if there are more pressing or engaging questions to put before our users. The tabs vs spaces debate feels a little bit dated, at least to me, and possibly not even that important since it's so easy to configure to your liking. Perhaps we could even consider asking for their input on a number of important questions (not too many, say 4-5) where it would be interesting to get feedback. Ideally we would try to choose questions strategically to inspire excitement for Emacs development. (Tabs vs spaces could of course be one of them.) Just some food for thought. Either way you decide, I'm sure I'll be happy with the outcome. Best regards, Stefan Kangas