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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316429 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Flycheck is a package that's well-written, popular, well-maintained, and > that respects the users's freedom, so there's no reason not to include > it in NonGNU ELPA, regardless if it comes with some bridge for Flymake. Agreed. > But I'll grant you that it's not 100% orthogonal: If we want to get > a uniform interface between the two, the first thing to do would be to > encourage cooperation rather than to put up barriers, so including it in > NonGNU ELPA could help. Yup. Historical kerfuffles notwithstanding, more collaboration and interoperability can only help, whether or not that means that the friendly competition[1] between flymake and flycheck remains or not. One idea would be to change flymake so that it can support flycheck backends natively, without needing any third-party packages. That would already go a long way to decrease the differences between the two packages. I'd definitely encourage work on that. Another thing is that we could use a good built-in macro to define flymake backends. Perhaps Steve Purcell (added to CC) could be convinced to contribute his excellent flymake-flycheck[2] and flymake-easy[3] packages to core? This would kill two (or more) birds with one stone, and also remove some of the gripes that some users have with flymake. Footnotes: [1] If it hasn't always been friendly in the past, there's no reason not to work on making sure it's friendly going forward. [2] https://github.com/purcell/flymake-flycheck [3] https://github.com/purcell/flymake-easy