From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 05:16:15 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20210213141225.11309.86562@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87r1liblzb.fsf@gnus.org> <83y2fq9f0v.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0r8xl7y.fsf@gnus.org> <834kic9g0a.fsf@gnu.org> <8735xwvusc.fsf@gnus.org> <83v9as7xns.fsf@gnu.org> <87pn10ueld.fsf@gnus.org> <83r1lf9apm.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6s3vrnd.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8gj9a8o.fsf@gnu.org> <871rdfvq86.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7mb98g8.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8gjuaez.fsf@gnus.org> <83ft1v97bk.fsf@gnu.org> <877dn7u7wq.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2r94zw.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7mbdpou.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38413"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen , dgutov@yandex.ru To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 11:18:01 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lCJuC-0009qI-Do for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 11:18:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54478 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCJuB-0005C7-Ee for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 05:17:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47638) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCJsZ-0004Gv-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 05:16:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-x431.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::431]:45350) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCJsY-0005Lr-EK; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 05:16:19 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-x431.google.com with SMTP id j12so8090491pfj.12; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 02:16:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ly8nihSNsIOiAIIlatJE8Z3YAqJ3m4JE+p0BrkqLH3s=; b=PZSjsldmSrg9xoeEsQpvF7ZzeYMac47gyGnPNxgDE4TBLraHKByRPLOP2lUuNSrtTN CUvcT8TAhREFlF8+aoguNorGLWx2wfSXx15kliFOTNjOlW/d7Ehr6oRCEK5DetR3IbIx kr2X/Nh98CzhYENbw37rqSmuEeKBGGgEAYSfLY+wWgfAs1l681ruL5nWPVywcvvbn3ei p7CgskaSyZwAgAqAOqBQIKdiSdy+LNaV+vkw0VG3pFH7nS/FPoDE9GPN9I4aAOrRp+s3 T09/Q3hkGYaTTiBl89DJR4/dBYgH607d2llbw1yEE7jh55p+KDo+hLl/AUaHzKubX5z4 v1+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ly8nihSNsIOiAIIlatJE8Z3YAqJ3m4JE+p0BrkqLH3s=; b=CACyjUk1cseWLaw1NL9UGSMzHwJ9DK1FiDLfi6KbPHqauYGI4GpymXvUIm0l7YJL0n huZBRMf29Kjub+RV7Bo9PJst6AxjBW0JtHOPjCgKleU34wgZrWQla5+jLge8SmVVws1A EJrnwkYxFIwV6AmwN9UJhlj0CXsqaa1DeNHrw0qzuy8/XCR7/niWMkIl9ZNfoUNw4w5P xgwzU0Vh3f2JRqHVO0qDV1sYtLPizki05X97El3EOWZ4KOHbtF8jbUhSj8gm+9UztFLX Rm0jNmQ5K5aqnf6Mt/R/Cri4T1BN8njwYqml99AO7XxEg3+x7FgBV6xq3psEHOF2Jicc K2xQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530GFpx7DFSQBfXq03C+j+nHqDS08Hn67BYayQtqflgiKxPpXnXl g6V+8RLq70OQZtWHH3Vv7kwRlu4mkEL25hoyvaQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzAK+2qP7HTnwmqA4z/8euY3Tp76OrnQ/pmwAydUGxqByhNcT7jIN3c+KDoDsqdPbCEEdKFTymHBrdfDEyRkR8= X-Received: by 2002:a63:e108:: with SMTP id z8mr22865590pgh.363.1613556975485; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 02:16:15 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 05:16:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87h7mbdpou.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::431; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x431.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264983 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >> To my mind, if two forms of writing the same thing are equally clear and >> easy to understand, the less verbose one is often the better choice. >> But I would claim that the more verbose form in this case is less clear >> and harder to understand. > > The question is how this form is less clear and harder to understand: That's fair enough. But it also seems like a pathological case. (If we support both forms, you could choose the one that is more clear.)