From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Improved welcome screen Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:07:19 +0200 Message-ID: References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdwjais.fsf@yahoo.com> <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> <875zdv9jf3.fsf@yahoo.com> <7AE22CF7-3A15-4F99-976F-970EF0C2F40F@traduction-libre.org> <2dfe6814-684c-eecc-0cea-9e373ce5c136@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="78750"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Jean-Christophe Helary , Emacs developers To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 21:08:24 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jT978-000KMX-1A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:08:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59130 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT977-00007o-2C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:08:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41520) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT96L-0007w2-Kk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:07:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT96L-0007M3-3l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:07:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-f181.google.com ([209.85.219.181]:33859) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT96K-0007Lw-L8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:07:32 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-f181.google.com with SMTP id l84so10055312ybb.1 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:07:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dtEsoKb+iVG6f8+s7tQmd/b3996fNOMhyYhhZJjiFTQ=; b=qqcETdceJZQA3mlTH6wyz7dPqocsS6c5JT7ZPQKkUyeAUkQ3nenoTXrZn3nJOqKLAh IszMJHBO3tZPiOA9I3DrdU5rmkNb+G61dzmkuoHOseZxXV8XekrqownwsE/XQp9zXgvn fvcvwfEIqkqGWykKqH+wWsoQYRiwZDyZSTXZDJSvcskpmJExIbTFaCu40vAbLaPz9Rn6 6zscZ6gws9DqS8WWy8seop3v9O1q5nwc4llRng0EmqEANVF9O5yjE7kvGwYGwDiB1MYP i4EmriuHwnU/Sx7SdK2MyRLSdFZguaY8G5BsbhFNoabTdRE0nJFRyMwlm1gnIRYloytU GIVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYLJz9uXe57NDFPiDGFetCQS8tEJxkzaou5KD6fqqnk5q5X9nt3 Ul2XsHgHF7j/Z2y/Y8oyEpX+9rft+VPZVNs2e0HyWU4XnR8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJRSIJmB6Ey3+wToFiRPOIOFeUJIaHGK4/ZYCQ0HtL8ZBGLJrpZYQrnaqRIh28YPU+u5XQ1L798sWCoUuamZs8= X-Received: by 2002:a25:c102:: with SMTP id r2mr41137834ybf.43.1588014451140; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:07:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2dfe6814-684c-eecc-0cea-9e373ce5c136@yandex.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.219.181; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-f181.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/27 15:07:31 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.219.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247954 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > I like this direction quite a bit. Not crazy about the part after the > dashed line, though, but it's less clear what we can replace it with. Thank you, this is good feedback. For this first draft, I tried to include all information that was there before. But I'm personally happy to incorporate further changes along the lines you suggest. As for the version information, we could just mention the major and minor version in the first sentence: "This is GNU Emacs version 28.0.50, [...]" Or we could decide that the version information is not really needed at all for the purposes of this screen. I don't have a very strong opinion here except that I don't think it's ideal to advertise details like the cairo version at the very top of the screen (as before). > The "NO WARRANTY" can probably just live in the Help menu. Or move to > the middle. Maybe by replacing the "Ordering Manuals" item which could > obtain more prominence in "(emacs) Top". Or by having a fourth item > there. Maybe we can have 4 items in each column. I thought there was some kind of legal reason that "NO WARRANTY" is on that screen? If it's not, we might as well move it out of the way, I agree. The "Ordering Manuals" could indeed get more prominence in "(emacs) Top" instead. We could have four items in each column, if necessary. Somehow humans like it when there are only three things though - it's a general principle in graphical design. It "feels" better to most people for some unknown reason. Content obviously trumps that, but I propose we also keep that (secondary) aspect in mind. > Speaking of the Guided Tour, EWW is nifty and all, but it renders that > page worse than any normal browser. Indeed. I filed a feature request for a new max width option: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=40909 The images are also rendered to be very small, so maybe it would be good to file a feature request for that. Best regards, Stefan Kangas