From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: On obsoleting defcustoms Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:54:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: > <83lfh743j8.fsf@gnu.org>> <53945b2b-cb3f-4823-85e1-ff8676f10161@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5666"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 12 23:25:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kdL2C-0001Mb-6w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 23:25:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50244 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdL2B-0002dI-7Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:25:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36366) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdKYK-0001S6-Jx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:54:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-f46.google.com ([209.85.208.46]:33772) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kdKYI-0004fZ-SY; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:54:48 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-f46.google.com with SMTP id v4so8258778edi.0; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 13:54:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3jlAEXtH7UJ0xtxh8mJHK4dCXSS1N91q4iAnBCwuv6o=; b=V8AW4CYeXQNI2qiIvOoVbj5zBVEEOcFP+3VdVDULHUCdrqRd6YEiNvZwK/PdbAdW57 v3wx0fUDePjirD3YhsvWsATChN08aZuTfsMjYZmPkqKV9eSuF56yKe8tgeQ1V2SLIeck 2ZdEV1h41c297hBEcHR3K3iFKi67ua89Ofm8EdpZ0JSsO0JFnZX2h1bQqsgVeGo/SlEM rWhy39nF44bciA61uXuIkurzw9BD3RD2cxP+AZAvhS7gKawG3n9Qpu80FT0k3/SRU7C3 j5YqgbASlK46HWFmPg47i9mOXbO5ILsOfVlYHI/PEnj4Hc2NheqxbsKZJEv9cgkdhE3v G4XQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530B3NmRxjovD0jJN5YbQefPVC9VcgH3WvA3WU96vbIj5MPPkdca IOnLve+LLaBBLpZwriJG1qPSyNg40uteAXY4HYc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzvw430QSPQJ2pahDKbCgcv8eSZ0rSOAzbsxDteid32EcX9h1uBdH4H138KKndV/blCvDjK6rd8jwjFRNblND4= X-Received: by 2002:a50:bb25:: with SMTP id y34mr2042584ede.249.1605218084938; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 13:54:44 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:54:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <53945b2b-cb3f-4823-85e1-ff8676f10161@default> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.208.46; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-f46.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/12 16:54:45 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:259106 Archived-At: [[ For context, I have just filed this bug: bug#44598: [PATCH] Do not show obsolete options in customize ]] Drew Adams writes: > If people are concerned about someone continuing to use > something that's obsolete, why not just have Customize give > a warning/message saying that the option is obsolete That's what we do now. See `M-x customize-group RET browse-url RET' in Emacs 27 for a bad case of what that might look like. > That's assuming that Emacs takes the (unusual, IME) point of > view that, once declared obsolete, something should no longer > be usable. It's still usable with the patch, just not advertised.