From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? WAS: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:31:42 +0200 Message-ID: References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r1wi7a8o.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdteybt.fsf@runbox.com> <87368wrvf5.fsf@yahoo.com> <86k126d83n.wl-me@enzu.ru> <83pnbyckvv.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000007198a605a41f2e8f" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="24278"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Eli Zaretskii , Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 25 17:33:05 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jSMng-0006Br-UC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:33:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39078 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSMnf-00046C-UI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:33:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50678) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSMmc-0002zK-Ur for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:31:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSMmc-0004kP-LW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:31:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-f172.google.com ([209.85.219.172]:46813) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSMmb-0004XC-5P; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:31:57 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-f172.google.com with SMTP id b17so6810071ybq.13; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:31:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=3pc7k+XCrGZCS65f/kBa9rNQsNuhSt1NTF6/tmHFvDA=; b=cbLi2gxqXI2hX6QkG5ZoFEkrdL5nWakfOxMIYsUaHoW7jSnze9wRfaUl/YWa7LDerX Gt3EnJ+7VTlb5MSYtJMr7E1bZcQBvr66sZld4NJ7e/Q3uBdpravTi6u/KUUA/YGycFjJ y9RgGgDdJ5LP6EcIhMP7d6D9EMiT5yGKT9kaeJEbUnEJFpBMJGB9V5B9N6dytupk2k5l +BwhEALyU5PsvqJrBebLz8M36FQRV9IReXnkajjeE72vUjanvcqag8R+ASzyaX0IcQeo MDom0JF4OT8R4gqHg/0MhKp7g/jGYoigmrreIeTGW7HQGWIeqWIHoQyDwQeQodp55LD4 Nt2w== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Pub26qAcTNYKsHC04P+bzuCpLcviGywEtya4c00Q1Lx4pRRSlhvd SLLtQ5idnPgHR9K/rZopeDI5xgZrpk69OZ4/efHQsU8A X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIZK9W8EZiArFbnDHviRq9mzTS4iJi1Px4zrsAqPvluhkYHnWwRe1JHLMFLDvVIk6UbmXiXb35RyOjwupwGRfo= X-Received: by 2002:a25:c646:: with SMTP id k67mr1217255ybf.309.1587828713682; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:31:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.219.172; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-f172.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/25 11:31:54 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.219.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247788 Archived-At: --0000000000007198a605a41f2e8f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Stefan Kangas writes: > - An unwillingness to assign copyright to the FSF, seemingly often more due to > inertia than any principled opposition. Here's a first proposal to improve the situation: including the "Why Assign?" text in the manual. Yes, the manual will be longer, but if even one more person will read and understand the reasons behind the FSF's insistence on assignments, I think it will be worth it. Please see the attached. 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