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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314668 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Are Jean-Christophe and Vincent capable of translating the Emacs user > manual and maintaining it in an up-to-date condition, both now and a > decade in the future, I obviously can't answer that question, besides pointing out that we don't usually place such high demands on people before accepting their contributions. > and would such efforts of theirs be impaired in any manner if they > took place outside the Emacs repository, under their own supervision? I tried to explain why I think this is true earlier in the thread. I feel like I'm at risk of repeating my arguments at this point, which to me is a sign that this subthread might have run its course. That said, let me point out that I agree that we should avoid having this work put an overly large burden on our regular Emacs maintenance. Your conclusion is that we should not merge any translations. Mine is that we should make provisions to avoid the potential issues.