From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 05:42:25 -0700 Message-ID: References: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> <3ec7e2e58a0cce3eda09@heytings.org> <3ec7e2e58a9fe639bf31@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36866"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 08 14:45:00 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lUU1s-0009RJ-Sf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 14:45:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47844 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUU1r-0000im-UR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 08:44:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46988) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUTzS-0007en-8t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 08:42:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f178.google.com ([209.85.215.178]:36765) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUTzQ-0004OY-CU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 08:42:29 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f178.google.com with SMTP id h25so1327431pgm.3 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 05:42:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EpSXZOwE88sQp75K53kDJ1cboaZBB1rB3hgm8E8IfnA=; b=Uk1lsPDeSplThgzlgePQNE6SDyRnmepyBX2GWFPCjtkYoex7yBwo4YWtJNy03UymhQ J+4zM0y3dFIaFBw7R5305JwA+Qmhm0ouC7ooBTEvJGhDuX89eQdJK7wR2c6oDuY0N76M VdrYO6rqKbVIXf+u7MAPCjaysjW7LfnTTKvOwesERZWaNOkcZwfNvdCqxJpa85bvKQMV nt5r4xaVbH3d5SHv9NPMlhWo7L8ae9QRikPtf0B52lhUCUyy+REHH1ug2KJj5qD6npRJ 68ujoCLaoV/aJ5xK5CN4cjkq86S3Fa3ld0jl8AvnftgyYb6DV5VuF6DD0QDtVO+dNcD6 CtIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5323MMw7aClEimdNWCtYQzMjqZKE64QrD0nLRsmu8+QBHXU+jtrg 3wDkLTuoiualktrmUXFuXS7B8i8pUkOWyGBMKaotsoaF X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwmMOWf+fv/YWbkzaxV43QZ+V5tG0wNmZbXYV2jZ91v5zjHbtpDz781N/+ONrvnTu2Ddpqz2JAnbtk0nuTc0PI= X-Received: by 2002:a63:c807:: with SMTP id z7mr7701469pgg.363.1617885745766; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 05:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 05:42:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: <3ec7e2e58a9fe639bf31@heytings.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.215.178; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-f178.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267608 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: > The text, even with sections and a nicer formatting, is still rather long, > and IMO isearch is very useful there. I remember that I found the fact > that there was no way to search that buffer rather frustrating when I > started using Emacs, it just kept disappearing no matter what I did. The problem is arguably that this help screen is modal, but I tried and "C-s" actually doesn't weigh this down too much. So I've added it now. > Equally short will be difficult ;-) The section title of the Emacs manual > is "Help for International Language Support", I would suggest > "International Languages Help" or "Help for International Languages". OK, I'll take this into account, thanks. See also Eli's reply. >>> Why did you put a blank line between where-is and apropos-command? >> >> The intention is to divide this into two subgroups. >> > > Okay, then I suggest dividing other sections into subgroups, to make the > blocks less intimidating: > > pPel / tgs. Good idea, I went here with: "tpPg / els." > C-a C-e C-f C-n / C-d C-m C-p C-t / C-c C-o C-w Yes, that's better.