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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255058 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." writes: > I'm not a maintainer, but FWIW my opinion is that what will most likely > happen is that they will never agree to do this. Menus are not "modern". Maybe not. But we don't know until we have given them the opportunity to think about this problem. Even if just a small number of popular distributions choose to listen it would be an improvement. The same explanatory text could be used to file several bug reports. That makes it worth spending the extra couple of minutes to make sure that it's a convincing text.