From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:10:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdwjais.fsf@yahoo.com> <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> <875zdv9jf3.fsf@yahoo.com> <7AE22CF7-3A15-4F99-976F-970EF0C2F40F@traduction-libre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="80337"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Jean-Christophe Helary , Emacs developers To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 11:11:36 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRuMx-000KlG-Gs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:11:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56250 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRuMw-0000xP-KR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 05:11:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53910) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRuMQ-0000OG-8c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 05:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRuMP-0005mD-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 05:11:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-f178.google.com ([209.85.219.178]:45327) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRuMO-0005i6-TA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 05:11:01 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-f178.google.com with SMTP id p7so2531446ybo.12 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 02:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=syzfYaedgO5KsapxVrMDiIuTnRgF5pAPuftXHIFNS4s=; b=uPTaaQPulCWAFHtv91iECCBrMgZfpkXZ7UQh9yM95JdupEZNHxOVsH60SlPvkn6yFA gcJo1mtDsSHW7IoAsO6V39fTb3InKiiOl/Owwip/48vbMyL46LO/TJ6/rPZXGTbPu95G Zh1rLKmLZxFr7xRmtDmmB6q1PJB8MqWZxL3iCQQXLc7HkTYyX3UVPEaf1R7QWTMEfwpe LbUSIoNCKnIgND195mChTC5Xh4Fc8A0r6GsDOgLdkDwAe3zvpq96SD6VJhpZm36CEQsh Jk7NaiEmP06zmfDfaAs2jQJ7uu/GCGSfh5fQODAbQCzi4po+5WlZf80+3qazMcs5qicV 7tYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubE0ykoC2FT7zFU3tENz1UyNrUgBbVoRGja0LjfeSc1VKpD+N/Y mFhKCcz74ROE/kmNKSoeLPqjLrsk+0cErxYABfg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKrIDZ+Uj+gyzQJA/G7Hkb1rNHUyOyLSfUJ2Eu6+pPIjtjNh3ZRs/INuqjAIzWu5QZLKNGBeVZqnGMmbmGn7iI= X-Received: by 2002:a25:4183:: with SMTP id o125mr9129239yba.309.1587719458486; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 02:10:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.219.178; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-f178.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/24 05:11:00 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.219.178 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247676 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > >> You have a point. We need to figure out why VSC is so popular, and then > >> fill in the areas that Emacs is missing. A mostly out-of-the-box setup > >> probably counts in that area. > > Probably. As well as better onboarding. Some better defaults as well. What does onboarding mean in this context? Best regards, Stefan Kangas