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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_BL=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250954 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Let's make a tip-of-the-day or something like that. This > isn't exactly a new problem in UI design. Most importantly > let's fix these shortcomings before using them as an excuse > to do fundamental changes to the way we organize and > develop software. I have no well-formed opinion on `C-h p', but I do think a "tip of the day" feature could be a good idea. It's obviously not a silver bullet, but it can be useful within its limits. There is on-going work to the splash screen, and I have had the loose idea to maybe suggest placing a "tip of the day" there. Is anyone aware of any drawbacks to having such a feature? Are there better or smarter alternatives? I think the biggest challenge is to make it useful enough that users will actively want to read it. Otherwise, they will just ignore it. Best regards, Stefan Kangas