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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322908 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > ali_gnu2@emvision.com writes: > >> [...] However, given that s10 is 20 years old, it >> wouldn't be unreasonable to drop it off the support tail. From >> discussions with Rainer Orth, who maintains gcc for Solaris, I believe >> that s10 support for gcc has ended, or is very close to ending. My >> personal opinion is that anyone happy to use a 20 year old OS should >> have no problem using an older gcc, or emacs, so it's not really the >> end of the road for those folks. Thank you for sharing your informed opinion. I also can't see why we should consider the 20 year old Solaris 10 a blocker for removing the unexec build in Emacs 31. For example, even according to current Oracle communications, it will reach EOL in around two years. This means that by the time we release Emacs 31, users will already be busy moving to Solaris 11. If they aren't, they're fine on Emacs 30, or they can help us fix pdumper. > I'm fine with using an older C compiler (whether GCC or no), but we have > plenty of precedent in these quarters for remaining on decades-old > operating systems. Not least when the operating system is to be > supported for two more years. If there is interest in that very old proprietary system, and there is some problem with using pdumper there, then users should report bugs and volunteers should step up to fix them.