From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:25:25 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23574"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Howard Melman , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 22 16:27:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lED7F-0005zx-1G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:27:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48586 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lED7D-0000nB-Tj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:27:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60480) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lED5Y-0007na-62 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:25:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-x636.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::636]:36042) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lED5T-0006es-Aj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:25:28 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-x636.google.com with SMTP id e9so7942255plh.3 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 07:25:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rv2SsUW+He315BFI3Fm7SLax8AHN0yzX6N3dAJ9CRxI=; b=pJU2ZHAWzNuFtgfr1RcpmxvdYJg9K6dSzlYaIL8qohYnYIRf28wokmB9N2VXAfUQQz Xj2v9wnCxKdzIECCd/01AM2WFSCYCZ4Po3uTAJMCZlqnb9Y1EZo/uub5d5eYdA6B+wSZ 0QKzSmqZgDimBv93uVWn0TAzSxn15WbTeYfyk//reg5fd0v6xrbY6iQ4AIopZAC0dxHR vI51lDFORSZ05744EhA7BnBLpnCxD4KQ+Hker/ExDTEkWPLLiAzKjrrJGBrBzzxcfAmx DIoVr8PSoAf+6UUE9NQJ3GFLJFHsKPM5KCAlJlUKe7+w62gxADyjUZhCQ8LmYJVUuKzZ 0uJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=rv2SsUW+He315BFI3Fm7SLax8AHN0yzX6N3dAJ9CRxI=; b=cRugvoNaf7w3+y3jOH+bXi47WoQe1vQ3mvpuktFxfJet38txUw28RL76VHc5NIQGMO GRVGgh6Nbq7u1x4yEoRReOwlHGzqWCsVmLdpNln9YnufymsxzHH1Yap6fBJRZRueIa3M Hi4JzAiGt8zdtlAJSJemiMCmTFvBpONuOMZyyLdL+Mg9r6Kasyez3NMLLQjJMWFii4YB 5wbYg+QgGH7qAodofMrK5YbfFIeqKdH/ljEnsBXzwam/SaZ7ayXFWsudVNmAluvIqNp5 Zm994TMXH4rJxKXtvEtbfp8kgnq97kWPFjWTC8y74rT5NNeB+gK6IaP8hQKNMJfMi415 Znmg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532QOYvpif3GrFHy3BZEeXN3ImkcjMhSlNI/3EjLM9ymxpa8DQyP yMO6OfO15Lh9Kh0ecekVJfJS12HK89hHxHNqc1M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzui764yS0mj+pcKTUU4h5r05/60PIj9Q4ZHNcCc7jaIDYsGBFrvhkefpsmi71TmuTcqcUEdSgYQsI8dPaHxYU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:31c4:b029:e1:8840:8ab9 with SMTP id v4-20020a17090331c4b02900e188408ab9mr15483860ple.70.1614007525982; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 07:25:25 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:25:25 -0600 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::636; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x636.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265481 Archived-At: Howard Melman writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> I have attached a rough draft for what an improved version of might look >> like. It would be great to get some feedback. > > I think this is a good improvement. I'd like to see some of > the help text normalized to be more consistent. Here's an > attempt at that, though it could us another pass too. Yes, I agree it could use some reformulating. I will have a look at your suggestions, thanks!