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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266838 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> Gregory, I don't think there's much point in doing this experiment -- >> the pushback is already substantial, so I think we have the data we need >> already. > > The tenor of discussion in this thread has been shocking, though, with > people ascribing nefarious motivations to Gregory's suggestion. Please > stop doing this -- it makes this mailing list distinctly unfriendly. > > People should be free to make suggestions without being sniped at. +1 FWIW, I don't particularly see the need for freeing up a key for third-party packages. But if we're going to do that, `C-o' seems like a bad choice. If it is to be worth changing this keybinding to anything, it should be to `find-file'. That is, after all, what all other software assigns this key to.