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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254885 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Could you submit that as a new bug report? > > Separate bug reports for each item or a group of related items, > please. Let's not have one bug report about dozens of menu items > unrelated to each other. Indeed, thanks for pointing that out! > Beware: they are outdated (more than 10 years old, and many items in > our menus were changed since then). More importantly, Xah is known > to be violently anti-FSF/GNU, and even anti-RMS, let alone full of NIH > tendencies. His recommendations are rarely provided with any > rationale except "the current situation is silly/stupid", and should > therefore be taken with a grain of salt. > > That said, it is of course okay to consider the ideas that make sense, > but not just "because Xah said so". Thanks for explaining the background. If someone does look over that list, they should check to see which are still relevant and provide some rationale for the change.