From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master fb061cd 1/4: ; * etc/NEWS: Rearrange and fix wording of some entries. Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 20:33:36 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20210906101353.11322.30746@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20210906101355.082C520A0A@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27207"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs developers , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 06 20:35:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mNJSy-0006wZ-6y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 20:35:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59520 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNJSx-0005n0-0w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:35:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36078) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNJRI-0003uT-4N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:33:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f176.google.com ([209.85.215.176]:40740) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNJRG-0004z7-Hx; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:33:51 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f176.google.com with SMTP id 8so7546231pga.7; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:33:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=+uRgjEgGaAnLyWSFYZw9mv8guvVezHfCBu4qazc6dTU=; b=KwMF/FXYQwr1GNNNSv1+eSwKCz9rRpPPTtoBMVvEwCGYxxNswIs0IZr0meu4frSVG5 Lrid0Nf25Iz4O1pUSS5zKKgK4q1A5/70oKNRhwB0DuGCnKrFBlxeSKqaMEvvWEkBPJZu 5ath1lXFrFGRvFtJ1jHzrVRfXwZWMCfXc8glvjknNiN+oBNWaqxgW+4Tc+lExcwm2uim 1dF6iIigtXs/slZ84MVUHWWcg/L35yoUyB9LvrcWWxutjfPYkqJX1qaC9Z0NzB7DQ9MM zSnicAGSckUoFPOJ/rZhUWn00uPBsSxsHBz/wT+sYFo9qWRSq9CMdXaJlJXcT93abmRK 5LFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5303N/K1XXj5ST5oqu5/uKjzOIbsWnOaK9M6jtP6+xH2IwyOqcXP G4fqM2zD7VzayzMbvIrdXDRvg8/8qHkEgS+z7OnspS7t X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyWJHynca9y6o0QukV5qhmWsEvCxkqYra+xB+i5yQgY7MqD6hhpgni2nYbQNlIj/9UvhNYrIwimPFkkOr2xMlA= X-Received: by 2002:a63:7d5d:: with SMTP id m29mr3434846pgn.114.1630953227377; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:33:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20210906101355.082C520A0A@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.215.176; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-f176.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274162 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > * Changes in Emacs 28.1 > > -** The new NonGNU ELPA archive is enabled by default alongside GNU ELPA. [...] > * Changes in Specialized Modes and Packages in Emacs 28.1 [...] > ** Package > > +*** The new NonGNU ELPA archive is enabled by default alongside GNU ELPA. > +Thus, packages on nonGNU ELPA will appear by default in the list shown > +by 'list-packages'. I strongly disagree with this change, for two important reasons: 1. This is not a change only in a specialized mode and package, but in a very important Emacs default. The overwhelming majority of our enthusiast user-base, and likely a large proportion of our user-base, are using packages every day. In fact, many users couldn't imagine using Emacs without them. It's a mistake if we treat this as some sort of specialized concern. 2. This is one of the more significant changes in this release, and deserves its place in the spotlight. I personally put it up there together with native-comp as one of the things that really stand out in this release, and that I believe many will be excited and happy to hear about.