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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279717 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > The variable/function symbols are links and stand out on their own, and > the keys also have their own distinct faces. Without them, this would > look like: This is better. > And, of course, we could also consider using proportional fonts for the > non-code prose bits: This would be even better still. However, if we want to start using proportional fonts, I think we will run into issues with: - Code fragments - Tables - Lists My vote would be for expanding the docstring syntax to also handle these things, and I think it'd be natural to base it on Org-mode. We might also want some other way to mark things as monospace that is not `foo' (in which case it will be linked if there is such a Lisp symbol, which is not correct e.g. when referring to the executables "man" or "whois"). So, for example: 1. A table would look like: | foo | bar | | baz | bzz | 2. Monospace would look like: =3Dthis=3D 3. A code fragment would look like: #+begin_src (defun foo () ...) #+end_src 4. Lists would look like: - Foo - Bar - Baz Lists could be rendered with "=E2=80=A2" on capable displays. We could make adjustments or even base it on something else like Markdown. I think Org-mode is closer to home, but that's me. While we are at it, we could also introduce /italic/, and maybe even *bold* (but we would need clear guidelines to avoid people going overboard, i.e. I would not use *bold* for anything but "WARNING:" or similar).