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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283955 Archived-At: Yuan Fu writes: > I don=E2=80=99t have any problem of adding it to core. I=E2=80=99m just p= essimistic > about how many people are incentivized to push for it and agree on > things. I am incentivized to both push for and agree on things. ;-) More seriously, you already had Eli agree that this does belong in core, so I think the process should be rather smooth sailing, especially if we try to make the first step as uncontroversial as possible. > Putting it on ELPA doesn=E2=80=99t stop from working it into core, I thin= k. I > don=E2=80=99t want to get into another 1000-thread debate about what is t= he > =E2=80=9Cminimal set=E2=80=9D. Many of the stuff in setup-wizard.el are n= ot easily > agreed upon, but removing them IMO decreases the usefulness of > setup-wizard. How about putting the uncontroversial part in core, and creating a more opinionated/useful add-on to put in GNU ELPA? Then you can do basically whatever you think is best in your add-on, while all new users still benefit from the less opinionated/useful part that we put in core. I am also not eager to get into a 1000-thread debate, but here are my observations on the points you bring up: > For example, the =E2=80=9Cwizards=E2=80=99 choice=E2=80=9D binding scheme= , Could you expand on what this means? > the option to turn off menu-bar, I have no opinion on whether or not this should be part of an initial setup wizard. > the recommendation of ivy and company. These sound good to me. Does the wizard also help install the packages, and say clearly that this is about to happen?