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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279843 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > So that's halfway between Firefox and Emacs -- the monospace font has > the same x-height as the proportional font, but lower overall height, I > think. Hmm, it's hard to say why they do that. Either they have consciously gone in a different direction, or Chrome (being the newer browser) just never bothered to clean this up as Firefox has. The considerations will perhaps be slightly different for a text editor though, where we are concerned not just with display but also effective editing (i.e. an even greater need to pick things out to avoid mistakes). The Firefox way seems more in line with what you would see in a printed manual, and has the benefit that the monospace text stands out more clearly. I prefer it for that reason. However, it would also mean doing more work. One idea is to just keep what we have now, and get more experience with it as we introduce a proportional font in more places. Once we have more examples to look at and consider, we could decide if we want to invest more work in making any improvements in one direction or another.