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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280859 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I'm not sure that we should default it to "on" on master -- just because > it makes the build take that much longer, and I'm not sure we should > expose people casually building Emacs to that. What does "casually building" mean (as opposed to just "building"), and why should such users be any less interested in having a performant Emacs? > (And think of the CO=E2=82=82 effects.) Won't we save CO=E2=82=82 in the long run by not wasting cycles interpretin= g bytecode? Benchmarks please. ;-)