From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:11:24 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8280"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 25 17:12:06 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lagQY-00023p-Hr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:12:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48242 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lagQX-0002QO-Lu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:12:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33796) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lagPv-00021L-Th for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:11:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-f178.google.com ([209.85.214.178]:36724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lagPu-0002Y5-IC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:11:27 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-f178.google.com with SMTP id g16so10735048plq.3 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:11:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NNPYe8Ij8MspE+YLXdoS7wYnoU4IG8MWltN7gZl++6s=; b=W3YVeMIdY6cLSkb9HSfVVNcG/HWt7zM6TRTMl5R8Nzs4ocQXuyOte41BtsBKiBUqZn KYTGbw4yZ/GZicSw6QvcJ9zUO76fO7m+tpaGPoX1Wmk4NRm8yN+Op50SXfiPuvB0nXQx 0J0ufEZTzVvQsvZCecw22HbbCrxZuHAxJ9iiySMOsKzyUHMi/8m6POq3utbvKI4YpGVn DNfOO21zmaDe8Dwm9eVD6KbsNFHs9qLWEJkFq04amf28Jc3UZeIW6BLUMvtC76tr2C40 rNYDuwHyC6aclAiMAN5LnEE4HpCba+zH8gT6kqlJmoOaoWUaoJQu/qTi4MGxYekyB7KM 49PQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533MIPmYI657CTVXrXe8iMzHsEIPk81lL1QeIxADfpH+aRiJkYlX APfj6/735NBFZwpmQz8++Mu4NuMtlR32vkS4/2w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzMoHyUZDvEjAS9GOdpgCsbAI6IacM2L4b2VRmhKu9tCENpQ5Vh4XOeQyyPrELMQyUl7EH78nzo/UgaCW/ff1A= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:670b:: with SMTP id n11mr16071064pjj.104.1619363484636; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:11:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.214.178; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-f178.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268384 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Yuri Khan writes: > >> Is there a reason that help-for-help is page-scrollable with >> Space/Backspace and C-v/M-v but not PageUp/PageDown, and >> line-scrollable with the mouse wheel but not Up/Down arrow keys? A >> newcomer will try those and be surprised by the help buffer silently >> disappearing. I have now done this on master. >> Shift+Space should probably also act as =E2=80=9Cscroll a page back=E2= =80=9D on >> terminals where this key is distinguishable. Is that a common convention? I'm testing man and less in xterm, and they don't scroll up on Shift+Space.