From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 12:14:50 +0200 Message-ID: References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r1wi7a8o.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdteybt.fsf@runbox.com> <87368wrvf5.fsf@yahoo.com> <86k126d83n.wl-me@enzu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="37942"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Yuan Fu , Tim Cross , Emacs developers , Po Lu , Stefan Monnier , =?UTF-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien_Gendre?= , =?UTF-8?Q?Simen_Heggest=C3=B8yl?= To: Ahmed Khanzada Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 23 12:15:47 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRYtW-0009jk-VT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 12:15:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40414 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRYtW-0001Tp-3J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:15:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58852) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRYss-0000qx-3t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:15:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRYsp-0006wR-V3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:15:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-f176.google.com ([209.85.219.176]:45687) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRYsp-0006sj-9K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-f176.google.com with SMTP id p7so710059ybo.12 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 03:15:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mAAKN3IvY/vfJuc9uBschdGcnaeUmzErvxdJ5jo29MI=; b=KhQLB9roqJB/rBOfqYQMBolPfYly/CsgCOyZ1vX1FxZl51ERQxd3QW8i10cGyiaPJr SEluyrggXOTPdDptKKigLb1LkFdQdLV4nPXZBEtfw/OJ0cN5YxQyPkE8GW0idaTymrTe GebVf5veboBKI064QGvGt9p3llZ0GrWQjB4Gn7KSa1L4yROE+RFZwfIhVQ1CS+APDYMY 8CT8mjB8mV73KtWDewRPXJnQBi/y8XekPySz1tAFN4i96JtSfGN6jIUyZTo2Zb6fb6eo IhT338pzVJqiefWpX+aRc2vdjPZWn4GjZbo1riMe2QTOL7EbeKU+PakO947QWfK8v23d zsvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaW/o36HdJhoIhVfHnGa4YK/jlsQTinZAnekBJ/MauHHpgCz91e f4Ls/qJotA0NEyjbgfBCwvF/ni0vba3LGS7x6jY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLfcoa4caCoMd9g3v1UE9hBAYKsNi9dyufZiMn0KnpMKdqzBC3Pl3mUVH6thJ1atnv5o6doRxtQPhe/9dQIfHI= X-Received: by 2002:a25:c402:: with SMTP id u2mr5491299ybf.231.1587636902241; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 03:15:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86k126d83n.wl-me@enzu.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.219.176; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-f176.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/23 06:15:02 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.219.176 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247571 Archived-At: Ahmed Khanzada writes: > Or do we approach it like the EU did with web browsers, and when Emacs > boots, we suggest either enabling Ivy, Helm, or Company for text > completion? There are never more than a few packages seriously competing in the > same domain anyway, if one can even call it competition. I think we should offer a multiple choice question, ideally with some brief explanation of the differences between the packages. It would also be good if one could easily switch between alternatives. Best regards, Stefan Kangas