From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Permanently fix org versioning breakage during builds? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314125 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > Po Lu writes: > >> What do you say to disabling the mechanism for version checks in Org as >> distributed with Emacs? Nothing will be lost, since AFAIU the check >> exists for the sake of conflicting Org installations set in place by >> package managers rather than Emacs itself. > > Considering the existing stance that it is ok to break things > occasionally due to stale macros when running make on Emacs git > repository, I see no problem disabling these checks for built-in Org > mode. > > Tentatively, it may even be done without affecting version check for > out-of-tree builds. See the attached patch. Could you explain the benefit of doing that? Is the problem simply that some users building from emacs.git don't want to say "make bootstrap", or is it something else? What will be the consequences for everyone else, if we were to install the proposed change?